#131 Perilous life as religious exorcists: Lesley & Stephanie's interview

Have you ever wondered what life looks like for an exorcist? In this interview, you will hear from religious exorcists Lesley Bonga and Stephanie Brady who share what it is like to be exorcists - how they work, train exorcists and some of their most memorable experiences, including spirit and elemental hauntings, demonic car attack and of course demonic possession cases.

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Stephanie's Paranormal website: https://hostlywarriors.com/ 

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Speaker 1: Anna Schmidt (Host)  

Hello and here we are at Perfectly Paranormal episode 131

My name is Anna Schmidt, and I'm here every week to share with you true paranormal encounters and information about devils, demons and dark energy beings that no one else talks about. Today, today you will hear from religious exorcists and paranormal investigators, Lesley Bonga and Stephanie Brady who share what it is like to be exorcists, how they work, and some of their most memorable experiences including demonic possession, spirit and elemental hauntings, demonic car attack and so much more… so let’s get into our interview with Lesley and Stephanie.

So I would love to welcome Stephanie Brady and Leslie Bonger here with us today from the St. Joan of Arc Independent Anglican Church. Welcome ladies. Hi. How are you? Stephanie contacted me through Facebook and we friended each other, and Stephanie works as an ordained priest and an exorcist, and I went, Ooh, my little spidey senses were instantly curious and interested to hear about your work and hear about your life working as an exorcist, and how this ties into the St. Joan of Arch Independent Anglican Church. So would you ladies like to share with us what you do and I'm, I'm just really keen to hear, go ahead Lizzie. 

Lesley - Religious exorcist: Okay, sure. St. Jones was founded by myself and Stephanie. We really wanted to create a kind of safe, well, initially female exorcist and then who are being trained in religious demonology, um, sort of taken off from there and [00:02:00] become an independent church. It's still really in the very beginning stages, but. But yeah, that's where we started.

Anna - Host: That's wonderful. That's wonderful, 'cause I work a little bit along those lines of working with clearing people. So Stephanie and I were talking earlier about the similarities and the differences in how we work. So would Stephanie like to share with everybody how you approach being an exorcist and also working as an ordained priest? How would you approach it if you had to do an exorcism? 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: Uh, first, you know, I always start off with an investigation 'cause you, you wanna debunk. That's what I, I go in to make sure there's actually something there and it's not pipes going or it's in the client's head, or you just got to really check that out.

Then you know what I've learned is, and, and I really do believe, I, like I said, I worked with the Roman Catholic priest and you clear the house first 'cause you want to clear everything off the walls and the [00:03:00] dwelling and everything, and then you start to work on the person. My last case, it was interesting because, um, we did prove that there was something there first, and she had made a bout of the demons.

She had to renounce that because basically it's just saying, go ahead and dig my soul. And by the third time that she renounced it instantly, that, and she wasn't possessed before, but instantaneous possession right then and there. Then it gets a little bit difficult to get the demon out. It could take one time, it could take up to 20, but we did last time was exorcist holy water with a little bit of exorcism salt and had them drink it.

It took her three times, but she eventually purging out the demonic entity. Is what's happening. But like I say, people have free will. Unfortunately, half the clients don't follow through with what they're supposed to do. This was one of those cases. It gets frustrating, but you can't do it. Just pray [00:04:00] for 'em.

Lesley - Religious exorcist: Yeah. I was just going to add to what you were saying…

Anna - Host Leslie's Frozen. Did we lose her? She's there, but she's not there. The paranormal are really playing with Leslie's internet today. They really are. They don't want to get any word out about the church. Oh, you're back again. Yay.

Lesley - Religious exorcist: I'm having so many technical difficulties today. I apologize. No, I just wanted to add to what you were saying, Stephanie, about, those are that first initial process and I also include like a, a mental health assessment or a bio-psychosocial assessment. Right. And then I'll encourage a medical assessment or neurological assessment.

Obviously I don't conduct those. I'm not qualified to do that, but I am a mental health counselor, so. Sometimes I'll do the bio-psychosocial with them, but I like that initial interview process just to gather information about exactly what's happening, because like Stephanie said. Sometimes there's legitimately, you know, some affliction happening, right?

Sometimes it's a mental health issue. [00:05:00] Yes. Sometimes, unfortunately, it can even be attention seeking. Um, or sometimes it's just, you know, they've watched a lot of paranormal shows and they really freak themselves out, and so they, they're seeing things, you know, reading into things that may not necessarily be anything or a combination of those things.

You know, we talk a lot about how mental illness and demonic affliction are not usually exclusive. You can have both. I like to start there in the very beginning and just kind of get a plan formulated based on what that initial information gives us. And then 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: I usually do a Zoom call too. Yes. See you look at the faces and see which way they're looking or where, you know.

Anna - Host: I also look at what I call paranormal addiction. These are people that love the paranormal. I mean, I'm a paranormal addict. I talk about it all the time, but it's part of my work, and I channel my paranormal interest into the lifestyle and the addiction is part of how I work, is that I'm very tuned in. I can connect with them, and I've got that [00:06:00] strong understanding.

There's a lot of people that, like you said, they watch the movies, they're doing paranormal investigations, they're watching paranormal investigations on social media. It becomes something that, like you said, it can be a mental health issue. It can tip them into a mental health issue; I find in people's emails.

How they write their emails can be a dead giveaway. I'm glad you are nodding, because I'm not trained as a mental health professional and I like yourself. I always send people to their medical doctor, their mental health professional energy clearing comes third on the list always. But emails for me are a dead giveaway.

The way they write them, the language, the detail, I will be there. And then I think you need to see your doctor first, and I will just refuse to do the work until they do. Right. Right. Do, do you find you get a lot of clients that it's an attention seeking behaviour for them? You're both nodding, so I'm, yeah, definitely.

Stephanie - religious exorcist: Yeah, absolutely. [00:07:00] 

Lesley - Religious exorcist: Yep. Sometimes they're bored, sometimes. Yeah. They're lonely. I think sometimes people feel like it makes them feel special, you know, they've got one-on-one attention from someone really listening to them. They feel seen, they feel heard, and who doesn't wanna feel that way, you know? Yeah. So sometimes if, if people are in a low enough space, I think they'll, they'll reach for that wherever they can find it.

Stephanie - religious exorcist: I actually had clients where I've gotten, you know, rid of. I'm like, why? But each time they keep bringing it back because they want that attention. They don't care whether it's negative or positive, they just want it. 

Anna - Host: Yep. And I find some clients, it's. Who am I without the entity present, if it's been there for a very, very long time? And Stephanie and I were talking earlier about how if someone has paranormal beings or dark entities in them or around them for very long periods, 5, 10, 15 years becomes [00:08:00] part of their, their thinking and who they are, that they're ready to let it go, or they think they're ready to let it go. Do they really want it gone?

It's like people who have mental health conditions, but it becomes, they identify as the condition, which is what I'm trying to say. And it's really is a struggle for a lot of people to let them go. And some people, it gives them the power, like they get some sort of advantages out of it, what they think they do.

It really is quite a complex, it's a complex situation. Yeah. Yeah. It's absolutely. So when you are working with clients, Stephanie, what's your life like or what would the, the process be to work with someone when you are conducting an exorcism? 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: You know, first of all, and I don't know, I always had them, they've got sign sheets for me, you know, release of auth authorization and video and audio. I even had them sign a liability thing. And not that you're protected a hundred percent, but. [00:09:00] People tend to be a little sue. Happy first. It, it's key. You gotta look in their eyes. You gotta see where if they looking directly at you, when you, I always have a powow before. Yes. And sit down and have a powwow and have them repeat everything that's going on.

If they're looking away from you or looking into, I mean, that's a clear sign that something's going on. State of the house always clues me in, you know, if it's messy, I've been in places, they're full of roaches and things like that, that, that kind of puts up a red flag for me. And like I said, I just proceed to do a cleanse at the entire house. And, um, so they're doing, because not everybody that has demonic influences in the house has a possession or has an attachment. I find it cleanses enough most times. 

Anna - Host: So I wrote down a couple of questions. Well, a couple of observations is that sometimes when you look in people's eyes, you can't actually see [00:10:00] them. There's like, there's a, a barrier or some sort of energetic blockade behind their eyes. Yeah. When you look at most people, it's not that you see into their soul, but you see them. 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: Yeah, exactly. Sometimes their eyes turn black. Yes, yes, yes. That's a key sign. 

Anna - Host: I feel a barrier when I look at them. It's like I feel or I see nothing there. Like you look at their eyes, right? And you don't get a sense of their personality or they're their character. It's like they're empty, but they're obviously not because they're there, but they're being overshadowed by something. 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: Right. 

Anna - Host: Something else I wrote down. When you do your, go through your exorcism process or clearing the house, do you find that the entities come to you? Do you find that they transfer? 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: No, never. I do a lot of protection. I feel like almost some divinely protected in one way or another. I've never [00:11:00] brought anything home. 

Lesley - Religious exorcist: Yeah, I, I had a case in 2016. That was particularly intense time. I was a paranormal investigator. I was not a priest. I had not had formal training in religious demonology.

So you know, I walked in just like I've been investigating for many, many years. I know what I'm doing. I can handle this situation. I recognize now, I had a little spiritual pride walking into that situation and it really bit me because I was not ready. I met the family. The mother was actually transiently possessed.

Um, there were children in the home. There was a lot going on and. So when we stepped in to do the investigation, we were there initially for a few hours, did the interview, um, gathered information, just kind of got a baseline for what was going on in the house. And then we came back for the full investigation, but literally all hell broke loose.

I. People were getting scratched, the [00:12:00] client was levitated it. It was really pretty chaotic, you know, it was like a what you see in horror movies. Yeah. And while I knew all of that was possible, I had never witnessed that firsthand for myself. Um, so it was pretty intense and we really wanted to be able to help the client, but they weren't really receptive to being handed off to clergy.

We stayed almost the full night, went home the next morning, and for the next, I'd say almost three months. It was most intense in the first three weeks, but it faded completely by three months oppression that I was experiencing as a result of that case. Yep. Um, and I learned a lot from that experience.

And it's never happened since. But I think I needed to have that experience. I think God wanted me to have that experience so I could check some of that pride where it was like, I can handle this, you know? Yeah. Um, and I learned what he was saying to me was, not without me, not without me. [00:13:00] Can you step into those situations? And so I had to kind of reassess and, and went a different direction, and that's what essentially led me to the priesthood. But yeah. 

Anna - Host: Yeah. That's fascinating. Absolutely fascinating.be'cause I find a lot of the time these dark and demonic entities, we, we as energy workers, that's what I call myself. because I'm not ordained as anything.

I do my own thing at the moment. This is just what I've trained myself to do, is that we are well known on the, what I call the dark gossip grapevine. Absolutely. They know the energy workers that do the exorcisms that do. I call them personal clearings 'cause I'm not trained to call them anything else. They know who we are and they observe what we do, and I like yourself. Leslie got pride and ego initially brought me down with a very big energetic slap to start with because I thought I knew it all. And I didn't know anything and I had to learn a lot along the way. I've been [00:14:00] at it for like 30 years now from when I very first started.

Now I just treat them with respect and I, they know that I've been professionally employed. I was saying this to Stephanie earlier that I say to them, I am professionally employed to enter the property or to do a personal clearing, so therefore once I do their clearing, they must leave. Have you ever come across any tricky situation, Stephanie or Leslie, where the entities won't leave. They really dig their heels in and they've been really tricky to work with. 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: I had a dwarf once in Elemental, now he was, and I never did get him to go. People bought the house at incredibly low price. They had been without sleep for seven years. I mean, every time they went to bed, this entity would jump on the bed and pull on them and pull their hair and just do everything to make sure they couldn't sleep.

I had been there when I forgot they do attack my car. I've had four double blowouts one year on the way to [00:15:00] cases. Um, this, this one now, I went out there at 2:00 AM and he had actually drained my battery completely. So I was waiting for triple A sitting in the car and all of a sudden the headlights start flashing on and off.

The radio starts blaring the horn starts going on. Yeah. Yeah. He was letting me know, I don't want you coming back, and I'm frantically trying to turn that off, but there was no way, there was no juice to anything. So yeah, I, I tried everything. I think he was just, in my theory was they had built the house on his house.

And Okay. He was mad to this day, nothing has worked. 

Anna - Host: I wonder if he's what I call a land guardian. He's been assigned to that location for some reason. I've got a couple here that are still in their place, but they behave themselves. Whether they're assigned here in this reality. 'cause I'll look at, at all the realities all overlap all at the same time.

So [00:16:00] maybe his house is in his reality, but also in this reality where the other house is. We have a troll here at that location that I'm going to visit today that's in a very old town and he's there as a land guard in, and he told me that he's there for a reason and he doesn't like people.

You don't go near him. He scratched people in the past and so forth who've gone to call him out because I treated him with respect and we had some interesting conversations. So don't hear from him now because they're very secretive, but he's there for a reason and just wait avail is then, 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: yeah, he actually came to me in a dream, I mean a very vivid dream where I could actually smell him and he smelled like the bog.

Anna - Host: Ah, interesting. I've had a client describe trolls as smelling like burnt toast. 

Lesley - Religious exorcist: Only had one case was [00:17:00] elemental. Yeah. And that was many years ago. The feeling is very distinct though, something I've noticed and, and I think a lot of us in this sort of line of work have.

You know, some empathic gifts or, um, you know, the spirit of discernment. So I think those, those things get stronger with time and you start to kind of be able to differentiate what each of those entities feels like when you're near it. And I hadn't experienced it before, so it was really foreign to me. And I'm like, well, this is not a demon. This is not a human spirit. I don't know what this is, but this is something very ancient. It's very, um, doesn't feel evil, but it certainly feels like it could do some damage if it wanted to, and really just, I got the impression it wanted to be left alone. So this man's house was in the middle of nowhere and he had a cemetery on three sides of his home, and the other side of the home was forest.

And [00:18:00] so when we first pulled up, I thought, okay, this is definitely the cemeteries. Turns out it wasn't actually, it was the forest behind and he had brought in, he'd found a deer. Skull completely intact, um, with horns and he thought it was beautiful. He found it in the forest. He cleaned it up and he hung it on his wall and it kept crashing down.

And he said, ever since I've put this on my wall, I'm seeing shadows in my house. I'm hearing noises growl and it just keeps flying off my wall. He said, I have anchored this thing with screws with, you know, he's like, it just keeps crashing down. And sure enough, when we came to do the investigation. We were in the back of the house and we hear a crash, and there it is on the floor, and he's like, see, I can't keep it up there.

And I'm like. Put it back, you know, just, it doesn't belong to you. It never belonged to you. It belongs in the forest. And I think the elemental spirits that [00:19:00] are present in that space are telling you that is not yours for whatever reason. You know, he's just like, why do they care? It's not, you know, I can't answer that for you, but I can tell you that, um, it doesn't belong to you, so you need to return it.

And he did. And all the activity stopped. So well done. Yeah, I thought that was really interesting. It was an interesting experience, but I'm glad that I was able to have that experience of sort of being able to feel it out. And so now I can identify when I go into a space, if it's an elemental haunting, it's got that very distinct vibration that it does.

Anna - Host: I've been kicked in the kneecaps by gnomes a few times. They're quite funny 'cause I sit, when I do my work, I do all remote work. I do everything he's done remotely with floor plans and a photo of the front of the house and the address. And I've been doing the work and, and. Gnomes are like the bowerbird of the elemental realm.

I call them. They love things and [00:20:00] trinkets and treasures. And when you clean out their treasure rooms, they get angry and they cause all sorts of mischief. But they don't possess people, they don't scratch people. Yeah. They just create naughtiness in homes. So this one didn't like me 'cause I was. Doing an energy clearing, and we had a conversation and everything was good, but I got these very sharp pains under my right knee cap, which I don't have.

It's not a medical illness. I wasn't doing any exercise. I was simply sitting and to get these sharp pains when I'm tuned into a house. Is there any elementals here? And I got yes. How many, and I went through all the process. They were just annoyed that I was there. So they're right. How can we show her? We're annoyed. We'll kick her in the kneecap, just mischievous. They are mischievous. Yeah. They're not harmed. Even the trolls aren't harmful. They just smell like a bog. That's a really good way to describe it. This other client described it as burnt toast, but they might be a different type of elemental.

But yeah, they have a distinct smell and they don't generally show you much what they [00:21:00] look like, but you can. You can just tell, can't you? So I like the terminology elemental haunting, Leslie. What you were saying before about having issues with your car, Stephanie, is I get brain fog sometimes, which is not an issue for me. If I get in a car to go to a client's house, right? Sometimes I used to and I get in the car, I just lose the plot, couldn't remember anything, couldn't remember the address, didn't know where I was going, the name of the client. So now I take my iPad and I'll have the the GPS thingy there. I'll have it also written down, right, because sometimes they'll switch off my iPad, so I can't turn it on.

Stephanie - religious exorcist: I've had, things like possessed people, a possessed woman, which touched, leaned on the car while we were talking for about 15 minutes and I took off the radio, just kept spinning, ran and ran and ran. So I did a clearing of the [00:22:00] car when I got home. It's just, uh, my car gets attacked. More than me, you know, for some odd reason. 

Anna - Host: Well, it stops you going to your location, I suppose. How are we gonna stop by? Yeah, it does Stopping getting there. We'll rack her car up. Leslie, have you had any experiences like that? Oh, she's frozen again. She'll be back. They're messing with her internet. Oh my goodness. They really are playing, playing silly buggers today. Stephanie, do you find that? The dark and the demonic entities know your weaknesses. That is something that I wrote down earlier. You'll see me looking down and writing, so I have to write notes, otherwise I forget.Do they know your weaknesses, as in what will trigger you in the middle of an exorcism? Do they try and trigger you sometimes so that you'll stop or you'll get panicky or cry or leave? 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: I generally don't. It's one of the gifts that God has given me is the gifts. I don't, I don't have any [00:23:00] fear, which is good. Yes. So far, they, I do, like you say, get brain fog. I'll forget. What prayer I'm supposed to be saying yes or forget the middle. I, you know, how, how do I finish this prayer? Dang it. Or I'll be doing the, the smudging and all of a sudden that charcoal thing will fly out onto someone's carpet and things like that.

Anna - Host: Yeah. It's almost like you're in the middle of something and like the brain fog just. What, what absolute, what was I doing? It's, it's the weirdest thing. It's like this cloud that comes over your mind. Yeah. Even though I've got like 50 layers of protection for all sorts of different reasons, right.

Stephanie - religious exorcist: Sometimes they can still influence you. They can, they can make me intimidated of what I'm doing, [00:24:00] whether I'm doing it right or strong enough. That's what they do. They made me doubt myself. 

Anna - Host: Yes, absolutely. And isn't it funny that demonic entities. Are afraid of us, me humans. I have a little chuckle about that all the time, you know? 'cause they're the ones with the power, with the energetic power, we are in these physical bodies, which limit us in some ways, right? But with that connection with God as an ordained priest, you have that direct connection with God. I, I say I work with the archangels 'cause that's as close as I can get. Just, I'm not ordained in any way. 

I call them my Archangel big brothers. They're like, they're there 24 7 and they love helping. They won't, what's the wording I come up with? They won't intervene [00:25:00] and do it for you. They'll help you when you are really struggling with something. Yeah, they'll give you a hint. They will, they'll, they'll help you work it out. And when you design your prayer, or I call them statements, sometimes I'll ask a Michael or Rafael to activate it for me because they're the powerful ones. Oh yeah.

They make us do the work. We've gotta do the work. Otherwise, we are giving away our power to something else. Do you find that? Definitely, 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: yes. Very much so. I do find that I have to constantly remember, it's not me that's doing this. It is God working through me. I cannot let my ego, sometimes that's what they do too. They try and make your ego come out. Yes. I remember Archangel Michael, I always prayed to them for protection. The one night my bumper was about ready to fall out and I had an hour and a half drive. Yeah. Back to my house. [00:26:00] Literally about ready to fall off. I made that drive, pulled into the driveway, and right then and there, the bumper completely fell off.

Anna - Host: Leslie is back again. There we go. Fingers crossed, Ian. Oh, they are being cheeky today, aren't they? Yeah, they're, and you know what it is? It's the fact that. I've connected to the two of you lovely ladies to learn from you through the course that you're going to be starting in August. They can feel intimidated. When people get together, I'm getting all tingly. It's when we, me humans get together to work for the godly power. Important ways of doing things 'cause I've never really had any formal teaching. I've just always been connected to the paranormal.

She asked me if I was a medium and I was like, eh. Oh no, not really. Feeling is my clear [00:27:00] sentience. That's my knowing. But I connect with the dark bangs. In a good way. Like I'm like the mediator to get rid of them out of people's homes and out people, but I've never really known why I do it. It's just something that I've got a skill for.

It's where my passion is. It's that paranormal addict. Yeah. So would you ladies like to share about the course that you are offering about and that was this Buzz. Buzz is in charge of that because I'm really looking forward to working with you and learning. I just feel like there's the, the next level, like I'm at base level. I feel like your work is going to help educate me about the next level. Sure. 

Lesley - Religious exorcist: Yeah. I mean different, it's just different, different ways of approaching things. The class specifically is obtaining a certification in religious demonology, so it's, the foundation is old Catholic, um, or Anglican. It's all, it kind of moves in that space.

But [00:28:00] we're training people based on what the church teaches about spiritual warfare. You know, specifically what Jesus told us about spiritual warfare. So we pull a lot from scripture. It's a pretty intense class. We also do a lot of multicultural work, so we take into consideration, you know, various different cultures, different religions.

Because it's also important, you know, when you come across clients, not everyone is Christian. Not everyone share shares the same beliefs. And so being able to culturally respect other people's beliefs and spaces, I think I'm a strong believer that we have to meet people where they are. Um, you know, I can say that I am Christian.

I am, that's my path. That's the path that God has told me he wants me on. And it is sometimes very narrow, but I don't, I. Presume that that means everyone needs to be on my exact same path. I think that God speaks to us all in different ways. Yes. Um, so I, I [00:29:00] also wanted to incorporate some multicultural information in there about what does this culture believe about demonic entities, or do they even call them demons?

Sometimes they don't. So we look at different religions. We look at different cultures. We look at ancient history. Um, we also look at the Bible and scripture and pull from that. And then we get into, toward the end, we also kind of talk about investigation. So as a religious demonologist, you know, what it looks like to put together a team.

Yeah. Um, what type of people you're looking for. You know, there's, there really is an importance and. For example, finding people who are spiritually stable in what, wherever they are. 'cause it can be dangerous work. You know, taking that into consideration, making sure you put together a strong team of people that you really trust and feel that they have a strong spiritual connection to God.

And then we also talk about just details of, [00:30:00] you know, what should be brought to a A case, how should it be addressed? The importance of. Mental health evaluations, bio-psychosocial assessments. We go into physiological, specifically neurological conditions as well that can sometimes mimic possession. There are a lot of seizure disorders, for example.

Depending on where that's happening in the brain, that can really look a lot like a manifestation of an entity. But it's ne it's not. And there are some defining factors there, but, but we go into those details as well. So it's really, it's pretty comprehensive. It lasts between four and six months in total.

We usually meet, um, one time a week for two hours. And then there are some strict guidelines in terms of, you know, we ask that people be on the video the entire time. Um, we do take breaks. I encourage people, you know, get some tea, have a snack, you can eat your meal, [00:31:00] whatever. It's very casual, but the, the content carries a lot of gravity, so I want people to be fully present with it.

Um, and then we have some assignments that we do, and then we have some case conceptualizations toward the end where we can put our knowledge into practice with a specific case. And also discuss and learn from each other, and then a final exam, and then graduation. 

Anna - Host: Sounds amazing, amazing, amazing. Years ago, I found Reverend John Eckhart and all his books.

There's one called Prayers for Routing Demons. So when I first started, I was looking for prayers. I was looking for the. We'll call it the religious approach, but I didn't quite find it. I don't think I was ready for it. It, it's now, when Stephanie contacted me through Facebook, I went, you know what? I don't friend people very easily for a particular reason.

I actually locked my profile and stuff and I went, no, I'm going to friend this lady. I just knew there was something about the connection and I was meant to meet both [00:32:00] of you ladies to further where I'm at. 'cause I feel like I'm at that plateau now where I can add, advance, expand, all those sorts of words.

Lesley - Religious exorcist: So I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, that's something I've learned about teaching. You all learn together in sharing those perspectives. You learn from each other's experiences and so everyone really, it's a mutual experience. It's, it's great.

Anna - Host: I'm so, so looking forward to it. 'cause it, this is a hard lifestyle and a lot of the time people. Doubt you or they'll be sceptical. Are you doing it for attention? You're getting paid for doing that. How dare you rip people off? I do. I get a lot of that. I do a lot of free work for people. People make donations.

People judge, when you do this line of work, both of you are nodding. So you know what it's like. Right. And the more we come together and the [00:33:00] more we talk about it, it, it shines that light, doesn't it? I just love it. Absolutely. I love this lifestyle. I'm a real true paranormal addict. I can't help. It just is, is what I'm I.

Lesley - Religious exorcist: You know, I think that also comes with the territory. Uh, there's something, and I've had it, and I, I think Stephanie as well, and most people that I know who are called to spiritual warfare from a very young age, and I've heard 4, 5, 6, 7, you know, somewhere in that. Age there becomes almost an obsession or what might look like an obsession from the outside.

Yes. I tend to look at it more like God is urging you. He's, he is exposing you to things early on. But I, I had this obsession as a child with learning about, yep. Everything spiritual, so it could be angels, demons, ghosts. I wanted to learn all about different hauntings, vampires, werewolves, anything mysterious or strange or.

[00:34:00] I was fully in, I wanted to know everything, and I'd go on a deep dive, and I still have a passion for learning about those things. So I keep up with, you know, people who are investigating. I want to hear other people's stories. I want to know, you know, what are you experiencing? And so it's an ongoing learning process, but I know what you're talking about.

There are people who, who get into that space and become obsessed with the, the darkness. It rather than, it's almost like when you're called to spiritual warfare, there's a focus on it, but it's for a desire to learn, in order to serve, to assist people, you know, out of those dark spaces rather than who I want to be in that dark space.

'cause it would be cool and creepy because I think anyone who's actually done spiritual warfare knows it's not cool. It's, it, it can be terrifying. It can be dangerous. Um, and yeah, it's not, it's not always what it looks like on the [00:35:00] outside. And it's one of those things that you have to fall in to do once the demons know you do this work. Yeah. Once they see you, you see them. It's on, like it is, you just, you're on guard 27. You observe everywhere you go. That is just life. And I, Stephanie and I were talking earlier about observing without fear. She says she has no fear. I'm the same. 

Lesley - Religious exorcist: So am I. I didn't start that way. I didn't start that way, but um, I do believe it was by the grace of God. That was a gift that he gave me after a very specific case, because that case really filled me with fear and he was the one that removed it. So that was a spiritual process for me, but. I knew then when that fear had been removed, like, okay, this is so that you can better serve in this way and you don't have your fear holding you back doesn't mean I don't still get creeped out.

You know, I think there are probably some situations that I might, might take me aback a bit, [00:36:00] but I don't carry fear, you know, stepping into those spaces anymore.  

Anna - Host: no. It's a difference because that's one of the big emotions that really pumps out a vibration that the dark and the demonic entity's love is fear, paranoia, anxiety. You don't create them, they just move to the next person. Move to the next person after that.

Stephanie - religious exorcist: Yeah, absolutely. 

Anna - Host: So would you ladies like to share how our lovely listeners and viewers can contact you if they're interested in your services or possibly interested in your course? 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: they can just email me at paranormal angel1@gmail.com and then they will set up a Zoom call or a telephone call or something.

Lesley - Religious exorcist: And you have the Facebook page, the St. Joan of Arc independent Anglican Church, and then we also have a page that is [00:37:00] called The Order of the Seraphim Guard. It is closely linked. It's the order where the religious demonologist who have completed the training, they all kind of work together in that space. So they're part of that order. But yeah, the church page as well. And then. My email is Lesley.exorcist@gmail.com 

Anna - Host: Wonderful. And I will of course include all of the contact details will be in the description boxes on YouTube as well as through all the podcasting apps that people can listen to us through. Thank you so much, ladies. It's been an absolute pleasure meeting you and having a conversation today. 

Stephanie - religious exorcist: Nice to meet you. Thank you. This has been a highlight. I appreciate it. 

Lesley - Religious exorcist:Thanks for having us. 

Anna - Host: No worries. Thank you.

So, in episode I32, people ask me if automatic writing is a good/ safe divination technique or if is it the work of the devil. Sue, from Lancashire in the UK, said in a fan mail message, “Does automatic writing connect me with my guides or trickster entities?”, “Is it channelling or the same as intuitive free writing?”

Thank you for joining me today and don’t forget if you want to share your paranormal experiences or have a question, email me at spiritualbeing44@gmail.com 

For information on paranormal house clearing visit my website:  

https://www.spiritualbe-ing.com.au/  

I look forward to sharing this spooky space with you again next week, and remember, life is perfectly paranormal.

CONTACTS:

FB: St Joan of Arc Independent Anglican Church -

https://www.facebook.com/groups/9049939481774255

Lesley’s email: lesley.exorcist@gmail.com

Stephanie’s email: paranormalangel1@gmail.com